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 Post subject: 4-BIT computer kits
 Post Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:16 pm 
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Hi all,

Can anyone link me to a 4bit computer step by step guide and kit???


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 Post subject: Re: 4-BIT computer kits
 Post Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:36 pm 
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You can purchase one like this:

http://www.retrothing.com/2009/07/new-g ... r-kit.html

but making your own is more fun ;)


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 Post subject: Re: 4-BIT computer kits
 Post Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:00 am 
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What about waiting for fridays 4bit computer?? Id like to show students the very basics of computing and this 4 bit computer i believe may provide some good understanding. However, I need to understand completely myself. Ive been getting into "How computers do Math" its a great boox by Clive Maxfeild also his book bepbop to the boolean boogie" however, without a real model like this 4bit computer i thing there may be still some trouble.

Id appreciate any step by step guide or how to build this 4 bit computer myself?? This student Jack, may provide some further study for students as well: http://web.mac.com/teisenmann/iWeb/adeptpage/menu.html

Any very basics would be great, even a logic simulator of an early computer would be great.


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 Post subject: Re: 4-BIT computer kits
 Post Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:11 am 
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Hi. The whole project is explained step by step on both the project page available on this site and the youtube video. If you take the circuit diagram for a single binary adder (also on the project page) you could build just one of the 4 adders and see it working.

The circuit board for the whole computer is also available, although, with that many transistors, it takes a while to make.

None of my projects are commercial; I don't make kits. But everything you need to reproduce them is available on my site.


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 Post subject: Re: 4-BIT computer kits
 Post Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:37 am 
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Can you tell me where i could purchase the circuit board, switches etc?? Your digram doesnt show the buttons kind of lost where to start.


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 Post subject: Re: 4-BIT computer kits
 Post Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:49 am 
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im trying to build your machine in http://logic.ly/ http://mac.softpedia.com/progDownload/l ... 92611.html

Doesnt exactly work well for me :( my email is trevrox@gmail.com if you want to send a save file?? Just trying to get my head around this


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 Post subject: Re: 4-BIT computer kits
 Post Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:03 am 
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Attached is a simulation of a single adder in CEDAR logic, you should be able to easily expand this to the 4-bit cascading adder design.


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 Post subject: Re: 4-BIT computer kits
 Post Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:10 am 
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Thanks Simon, Your a legend. If I may, Ill post your message for others who may need help understanding the full-bit adder. Also attached is my Logicly file as well as Logicly method compared to WFF method for educational purpose:

The full-adder 'adds' the bits:

if A = 0, B = 0 and C = 1, the 'sum' is 1 since there is one bit, so the output is Carry = 0 and Sum = 1 (or 01 = 1).

if A = 1, B = 0 and C = 0, the 'sum' is 1 since there is one bit, so the output is Carry = 0 and Sum = 1 (or 01 = 1).

if A = 1, B = 1 and C = 0, the 'sum' is 2 since there are two bits, so the output is Carry = 1 and Sum = 0 (or 10 = 2).

If A = 1, B = 1 and C = 1, the 'sum' is 3 since there are three bits: carry = 1 and sum = 1 (or 11 = 3).

You are not inputting a binary number into the adders as such, you are inputting a number of bits to be counted. That's usually the part that confuses people


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 Post subject: Re: 4-BIT computer kits
 Post Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:35 am 
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Hi

Here is what the 'complete' 4-bit adder would look like. I couldn't save the file from the web trial version Logicly, but it should only take a couple of minutes to recreate it.

Here is the sum it is performing:

A = 11 (b 1011)
B = 8 (b 1000)

A+B = 19 (b 10011)


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 Post subject: Re: 4-BIT computer kits
 Post Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:07 am 
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Here is my failed attempt i was trying to recreate your version using and and or gates. so did you use XOR gates / Transisters for the final product as well if i was to recreate it??


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